vin13
08-25 03:40 PM
If someone is a customer of Teleblend, they should contact them and ask them to provide a matching world plan service. Or else you and your friends will switch to Vonage. You will be surprised how fast teleblend will come up with a better plan than Vonage. In this country customer is the king. Vonage is trying to tie you up with an yearly plan. Wait and get Teleblend or other company to give you a better deal and you will save more money. Vonage is banking on being the first and capturing the market for 1 year before others give a better deal. It had to do it because people were switching to Teleblend, Omma or MagicJack. Now it is time for customers to contact these company senior executives and ask them to give you a good plan if they want you to stick with the company.
I contacted teleblend last week regarding the vonage deal. customer service rep said they are working on it. They could not give me any timeline.
I contacted teleblend last week regarding the vonage deal. customer service rep said they are working on it. They could not give me any timeline.
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sunny1000
06-29 08:30 PM
I dont understand why DOS/DHS/USCIS will not do anything RIGHT NOW and wait till July 2nd or 3rd??
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Hunter
05-10 02:18 AM
Most of what Hunter has said is not wrong. Exploitation and malpractices by small/big consulting companies is a reality.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of
Thank you for admitting most of what I stated here true. Actually all of what I stated here as �skills� are based on my experience in IT management over the last decade. If you suddenly found my post to be stereo typing, you were blind to the stereotypes propagated in this forum for a long time.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
You are wrong here. Do you know that companies like TCS/INFY/Wipro offer �blended rates� in the range of $20+/hr for keeping over 70% of staff offshore? Client directly benefits here. I have seen hypocritical companies that took tax benefits from local governments like cities and counties (which came at the expense of property taxes paid by residents of those localities) for job creation and then turned around and outsourced the very same jobs that they were supposed to create to TCS/Wipro/INFY etc., often dismissing the existing contractor pool/employees which involved people of all nationalities including H1-b workers like �TN Man� who couldn�t compete with the $30+ rates for the on-shore workers even if something was available from these vendors. Now to dump people at $30/hr rate, even though talent is locally available - like "TN Man", these vendors will abuse H1 and L1 by securing as many of these visas as they can( which were intended to bring the best and the brightest for american companies), causing Bill Gates to advocate for unlimited H1-bs when in reality, what he needs is a few thousand H1-bs which should be available in normal circumstances, had these companies not been poaching those visas.
So these offshore companies circumvented the prevailing wages through an industrial practice that should be considered �dumping�, where they dumped green-horns for the greedy clients, because the green-horns don�t have to go through any interviews in exchange of the very low rates. In this case, the people dismissed from the company/contractors were a lot more skilled, yet managers like me would be forced to start from scratch with the new pool, often resulting in delays for strategic initiatives at these companies, but the bean counters at the top never care, since their horizon is the next quarterly earning release, not what the company would do 2 years down the line (and some of these companies are the culprits behind financial crisis today with their very myopic thinking, just a sample was illustrated above)
The only jobs that were created in those localities due to such corporations in exchange for tax credits often were Indian Grocery shops opening in that locality to cater to those folks from offshore vendors. :D BTW, I don't have anything against them, I like Indian food.
I have worked with companies where I managed a 50+ member team to execute a project which at another company employing local workforce may have been done with a 12-15 person team (I have managed it both ways and hence I know that as a fact). Now the company employing the 50+ member team will often massage the numbers to show that they saved $x differential per person* 50 for the bean counters and would have secured bonuses for the higher ups because of those paper savings.
Now I think as a result of people like me interacting with US law-makers, they are getting the true picture of the abuse going on with the current processes. I understand many of you here are concerned about your own career and eventually settling in US, but once you become a permanent resident or US Citizen, you are going to face the same realities. I have seen Indian-americans who went through the GC/Citizenship process becoming some of the the fiercest critics of the current system, because (like "TN Man"), their livelihoods also are threatened by the current process. They suddenly understand that it has nothing to do with the so-called "skill" or "talent" shortage, it has everything to do with what your hourly billing rate is.
But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of
Thank you for admitting most of what I stated here true. Actually all of what I stated here as �skills� are based on my experience in IT management over the last decade. If you suddenly found my post to be stereo typing, you were blind to the stereotypes propagated in this forum for a long time.
With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.
You are wrong here. Do you know that companies like TCS/INFY/Wipro offer �blended rates� in the range of $20+/hr for keeping over 70% of staff offshore? Client directly benefits here. I have seen hypocritical companies that took tax benefits from local governments like cities and counties (which came at the expense of property taxes paid by residents of those localities) for job creation and then turned around and outsourced the very same jobs that they were supposed to create to TCS/Wipro/INFY etc., often dismissing the existing contractor pool/employees which involved people of all nationalities including H1-b workers like �TN Man� who couldn�t compete with the $30+ rates for the on-shore workers even if something was available from these vendors. Now to dump people at $30/hr rate, even though talent is locally available - like "TN Man", these vendors will abuse H1 and L1 by securing as many of these visas as they can( which were intended to bring the best and the brightest for american companies), causing Bill Gates to advocate for unlimited H1-bs when in reality, what he needs is a few thousand H1-bs which should be available in normal circumstances, had these companies not been poaching those visas.
So these offshore companies circumvented the prevailing wages through an industrial practice that should be considered �dumping�, where they dumped green-horns for the greedy clients, because the green-horns don�t have to go through any interviews in exchange of the very low rates. In this case, the people dismissed from the company/contractors were a lot more skilled, yet managers like me would be forced to start from scratch with the new pool, often resulting in delays for strategic initiatives at these companies, but the bean counters at the top never care, since their horizon is the next quarterly earning release, not what the company would do 2 years down the line (and some of these companies are the culprits behind financial crisis today with their very myopic thinking, just a sample was illustrated above)
The only jobs that were created in those localities due to such corporations in exchange for tax credits often were Indian Grocery shops opening in that locality to cater to those folks from offshore vendors. :D BTW, I don't have anything against them, I like Indian food.
I have worked with companies where I managed a 50+ member team to execute a project which at another company employing local workforce may have been done with a 12-15 person team (I have managed it both ways and hence I know that as a fact). Now the company employing the 50+ member team will often massage the numbers to show that they saved $x differential per person* 50 for the bean counters and would have secured bonuses for the higher ups because of those paper savings.
Now I think as a result of people like me interacting with US law-makers, they are getting the true picture of the abuse going on with the current processes. I understand many of you here are concerned about your own career and eventually settling in US, but once you become a permanent resident or US Citizen, you are going to face the same realities. I have seen Indian-americans who went through the GC/Citizenship process becoming some of the the fiercest critics of the current system, because (like "TN Man"), their livelihoods also are threatened by the current process. They suddenly understand that it has nothing to do with the so-called "skill" or "talent" shortage, it has everything to do with what your hourly billing rate is.
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mrsr
06-27 04:44 PM
confirmed with two lawyers ( both says same can put tin number ) rest up to you
are you sure?
ITINs purpose is to ONLY put it when filing taxes. And all forms clearly ask for SSN# SO I dont think your lawyer is advising correctly.
ITIN cannot be used for anything other than filing taxes.
are you sure?
ITINs purpose is to ONLY put it when filing taxes. And all forms clearly ask for SSN# SO I dont think your lawyer is advising correctly.
ITIN cannot be used for anything other than filing taxes.
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p_aluri
06-25 08:07 PM
I need some help from you guys..
What would be the answer for :
Were you inspected by Immigration officer under part # 3 on I-485 application?
I really appreciate your input..
Thanks,
My spouse and I live in different cities - each will file their I-485/EAD/AP. She as dependent.
What should the spouse write for her address? Her current address, or mine?
Please advise.
Thanks
Ams
What would be the answer for :
Were you inspected by Immigration officer under part # 3 on I-485 application?
I really appreciate your input..
Thanks,
My spouse and I live in different cities - each will file their I-485/EAD/AP. She as dependent.
What should the spouse write for her address? Her current address, or mine?
Please advise.
Thanks
Ams
shahuja
02-06 03:00 PM
Well dats a positive sign then. Dont lose hope.
Just wondering if your job profile fall under TAL (Technology Alert List)??
i am sure its not TAL..i have one H1b stamped in 2006 for the same job..and i know its not a high alert technology profile job..
more over now DOS said approved still no +ive response from the embassy..
Just wondering if your job profile fall under TAL (Technology Alert List)??
i am sure its not TAL..i have one H1b stamped in 2006 for the same job..and i know its not a high alert technology profile job..
more over now DOS said approved still no +ive response from the embassy..
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indianabacklog
06-15 10:05 AM
Hi everyone ,
i have three question please please anyone answer ....
1 - i have previously applied but was returned due to pd not current , what to file in the form where it say if u have appllied before ? ( i am filing on my own this time )
2 - should the salary be there on employment letter . if so the present day salary or the one with labour approve ?
3 - i have an A# when my file was returned should i use that or leave it blank wherever it is asked also my wife have TIN number is that what i am supposed to write where it ask her to give her SSN
i will appreciate anyone answering any question please
thank you
pranju
The employment letter should state the salary and should also say the job is full time and permanent. Also include general job description and job title matching the labor cert.
You should include your A# wherever it is asked for. You do NOT put the taxpayer ID # instead of SS#, leave it blank.
Regarding your first question. I would suggest the truth is always the truth and check the yes box to an application being filed before and add a short explanatory note with it.
good luck, I filed mine and my husbands on my own, just take your time and read carefully.
i have three question please please anyone answer ....
1 - i have previously applied but was returned due to pd not current , what to file in the form where it say if u have appllied before ? ( i am filing on my own this time )
2 - should the salary be there on employment letter . if so the present day salary or the one with labour approve ?
3 - i have an A# when my file was returned should i use that or leave it blank wherever it is asked also my wife have TIN number is that what i am supposed to write where it ask her to give her SSN
i will appreciate anyone answering any question please
thank you
pranju
The employment letter should state the salary and should also say the job is full time and permanent. Also include general job description and job title matching the labor cert.
You should include your A# wherever it is asked for. You do NOT put the taxpayer ID # instead of SS#, leave it blank.
Regarding your first question. I would suggest the truth is always the truth and check the yes box to an application being filed before and add a short explanatory note with it.
good luck, I filed mine and my husbands on my own, just take your time and read carefully.
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innervoice
08-15 02:06 PM
I'm waiting toooooooooo..........., PD: Oct 2005:mad:
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paskal
07-09 11:41 PM
senthil:
stop stop stop. it was not a mistake, it was not an accident.
they knew what they were doing. they worked weekends to achieve it damnit.
they are civil servants- u ever heard of civil servants working sundays to do 6 months of work in 15 days? that too by MISTAKE?????
smitha:
life is not all it seems. i came here in 1996. but my pd is 2007.
i have worked 4 years in an underserved area doing "national service"
i'm nowhere near a green card, forget that...you even grudge me an EAD.
i do not expect a gc tomorrow. i did not ask that july become current. but it did. and i lost a lot of money, time and effort to catch the window for an EAD. my family and employer scrambled with me. and got throughly screwed. not by senthil's "mistake", but coldly calculatedly so. in your wonderfully fair world, where does that rank?
stop stop stop. it was not a mistake, it was not an accident.
they knew what they were doing. they worked weekends to achieve it damnit.
they are civil servants- u ever heard of civil servants working sundays to do 6 months of work in 15 days? that too by MISTAKE?????
smitha:
life is not all it seems. i came here in 1996. but my pd is 2007.
i have worked 4 years in an underserved area doing "national service"
i'm nowhere near a green card, forget that...you even grudge me an EAD.
i do not expect a gc tomorrow. i did not ask that july become current. but it did. and i lost a lot of money, time and effort to catch the window for an EAD. my family and employer scrambled with me. and got throughly screwed. not by senthil's "mistake", but coldly calculatedly so. in your wonderfully fair world, where does that rank?
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sc3
08-22 11:22 AM
Flower campaign, I said this one week back and did not do anything on that but was requesting others to join. I did send letters twice to 6 address and sending cards again today.
How do we organize this flower camaign or anything . Shouldnt a core member start the initiative by listing the action on the headlines.
I am sure people are waiting to see Oct bulletin. But based on information we have, please be assured nothing good can be seen, unless a miracle. Wait for the next bulletin may not be as pleasant in case you are looking for a job (No I am not). Lets all shoot emails to CORE IV now, to request them to start a campaign. I think from our end that shoudl be the 1st step. Unless they get the group together, we will be headless chicken as someone said, writing in doifferent threads,
EB3-India needs to move atleast 3-4 years.
Sri,
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Sri,
flower campaign was previously used by IV as a protest, and I feel doing so to congresspersons will be counterproductive (some of them are working on visa recapture).
Also, forget IV or CORE IV for this campaign, I dont think they will want to support this effort. And also, I request those sending the mails to not name immigration voice. I believe IV has made it clear that they will not support us (other than tolerating us with our posts here), so we should not use IV's name (without their approval) in our letter campaign either.
But you bring good points, we need to form a cohesive group and not lose steam in our campaign. The previous poll for EB3 showed over 500 responses, so if we can get most of them to write letters, it will be a good start. However, threads here seem to go off track because we end up deflecting blames and irrelevant criticisms.
How do we organize this flower camaign or anything . Shouldnt a core member start the initiative by listing the action on the headlines.
I am sure people are waiting to see Oct bulletin. But based on information we have, please be assured nothing good can be seen, unless a miracle. Wait for the next bulletin may not be as pleasant in case you are looking for a job (No I am not). Lets all shoot emails to CORE IV now, to request them to start a campaign. I think from our end that shoudl be the 1st step. Unless they get the group together, we will be headless chicken as someone said, writing in doifferent threads,
EB3-India needs to move atleast 3-4 years.
Sri,
$100.00
Sri,
flower campaign was previously used by IV as a protest, and I feel doing so to congresspersons will be counterproductive (some of them are working on visa recapture).
Also, forget IV or CORE IV for this campaign, I dont think they will want to support this effort. And also, I request those sending the mails to not name immigration voice. I believe IV has made it clear that they will not support us (other than tolerating us with our posts here), so we should not use IV's name (without their approval) in our letter campaign either.
But you bring good points, we need to form a cohesive group and not lose steam in our campaign. The previous poll for EB3 showed over 500 responses, so if we can get most of them to write letters, it will be a good start. However, threads here seem to go off track because we end up deflecting blames and irrelevant criticisms.
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vsoni
05-04 02:12 PM
My lawyer told me, It may talke 2 to 4 week.
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snathan
08-20 06:33 PM
I have similar experience. I moved to sunrocket (which is now teleblend) from vonage. I pay half of what I used to pay vonage for same services/usage.
currently teleblend offers $50 unlimited india calling + ofcourse US+canada unlimited. However as now vonage has come up with $25 world plan, I am sure teleblend would come up with something similar soon... may be $20 world plan or so. As they always price it below vonage. Let's hope! competition is good for consumer.
I also had Teleblend world...but I removed the unlimited world as it was $35. Lets see they might come up with something like this.
currently teleblend offers $50 unlimited india calling + ofcourse US+canada unlimited. However as now vonage has come up with $25 world plan, I am sure teleblend would come up with something similar soon... may be $20 world plan or so. As they always price it below vonage. Let's hope! competition is good for consumer.
I also had Teleblend world...but I removed the unlimited world as it was $35. Lets see they might come up with something like this.
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06-28 10:02 PM
My lawyer said he will mail it tomorrow. He told me that it would reach on 2'nd. He is using FedEx
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leo2606
12-09 05:15 PM
Check Question#9 in the following link realated with multiple A#s
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/CBO_Q&A_Oct2007.pdf
http://www.uscis.gov/files/nativedocuments/CBO_Q&A_Oct2007.pdf
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7software
09-15 05:24 PM
I would like to give update on visa availability. My PD is 03/06- EB2. Opened SR for me and my spouse on 08/30/10
1. For me, letter by USPS came stating that, I485 is at USCIS local office and will notify about decision in 30 days
2. Spouse got below response by email (On 09/13/2010)
"The status of this service request is:
Your I-485 application is waiting for a visa number to become available. When it becomes available, it will be assigned to an adjudicator to make a decision on the case.
If you have not heard from the service within 30 days after your number becomes available, you can make an Info pass appointment to visit the Customer Service Division,
at the District office"
On 09/14/10 we took infopass and spoke to customer service representative. She told that visa Numbers are not available any more and also checked validity of finger prints in system.
Told us that they are expired (Till now we gave 2 times, one in sept 07, 2nd one in may 09 (FP are valid for for 15m)) - I guess we need to give 3 rd time soon.
She told that dates for FP at ASC center are not available and will try to send us ASAP when Visa Numbers are available.
1. For me, letter by USPS came stating that, I485 is at USCIS local office and will notify about decision in 30 days
2. Spouse got below response by email (On 09/13/2010)
"The status of this service request is:
Your I-485 application is waiting for a visa number to become available. When it becomes available, it will be assigned to an adjudicator to make a decision on the case.
If you have not heard from the service within 30 days after your number becomes available, you can make an Info pass appointment to visit the Customer Service Division,
at the District office"
On 09/14/10 we took infopass and spoke to customer service representative. She told that visa Numbers are not available any more and also checked validity of finger prints in system.
Told us that they are expired (Till now we gave 2 times, one in sept 07, 2nd one in may 09 (FP are valid for for 15m)) - I guess we need to give 3 rd time soon.
She told that dates for FP at ASC center are not available and will try to send us ASAP when Visa Numbers are available.
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senthil1
07-09 11:22 PM
There is nothing wrong in fighting. At least it will be used to prevent the same mistake in future. But it is not a bad idea to analyse the outcome so that everyone can prepare for that. My view is this campaign will be used for preventing future mistakes. I will be pleasantly surprised if we get more benefit than that. Even lawsuit also will serve the purpose and will give strong warning to USCIS.
I can tell many examples. Due to one persons misjudgment so many American and Iraq people were killed. Do you think they can get relief? Whatever relief people got it cannot bring back peoples lives. But still lot of people are thinking that Iraq could have been handled differently and many people are fighting against War. Most people realize mistakes after someone is impacted.
In the name of thinking differently we have smitha, senthil1 , asdqwe..and these guys confusing this struggle / fight for us trying to get ahead of the line or as senthil1 keeps saying uscis/dos made an honest mistake and asdqwe..keeps saying we need to fight for legislation rather than wasting time with these efforts. What all these guys and their ilk fail to understand is most of us are pissed off about the way it was implemented and handled rather than the ability to file AOS itself. If we sit and do nothing is like asking uscis / dos to walk all over us again and again. Besides in US law whenever there is a gray area, the decisions are based on precedents. This means if they have done this now means they can do this in any bulletin hence issued. They can issue a bulletin in Oct 2007 and on Nov 2 say "oops sorry my bad wrong bulletin" . Please come out of the basement and face the sun.
I can tell many examples. Due to one persons misjudgment so many American and Iraq people were killed. Do you think they can get relief? Whatever relief people got it cannot bring back peoples lives. But still lot of people are thinking that Iraq could have been handled differently and many people are fighting against War. Most people realize mistakes after someone is impacted.
In the name of thinking differently we have smitha, senthil1 , asdqwe..and these guys confusing this struggle / fight for us trying to get ahead of the line or as senthil1 keeps saying uscis/dos made an honest mistake and asdqwe..keeps saying we need to fight for legislation rather than wasting time with these efforts. What all these guys and their ilk fail to understand is most of us are pissed off about the way it was implemented and handled rather than the ability to file AOS itself. If we sit and do nothing is like asking uscis / dos to walk all over us again and again. Besides in US law whenever there is a gray area, the decisions are based on precedents. This means if they have done this now means they can do this in any bulletin hence issued. They can issue a bulletin in Oct 2007 and on Nov 2 say "oops sorry my bad wrong bulletin" . Please come out of the basement and face the sun.
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krishmunn
03-29 12:14 PM
Not sure i agree with that statement. The way the spillover trickle is reaching EB2 there is no way EB2 will become current for atleast 5 years so impact on EB3 within a year or two is a incorrect statement
If the momentum continues, EB2 will be current in about 2 - 3 years. There are roughly 15 - 18K EB2 I applicants per year and around 5 K for EB 2 C. the number will defnitely be less during later part of 2008 to mid 2010 due to Economic downturn.
The current queue for EB I + EB C till Aug 2007 ~ 36 K
People here are talking about 38 K SOFAD whcih means by August this year it will catch up August 2007, by late next year it should reach Aug 2009 and by late 2013 it will be current.
Again, all these based on assumption that the current momentum continues and the assumed 38 K SOFAD are available every year.
If the momentum continues, EB2 will be current in about 2 - 3 years. There are roughly 15 - 18K EB2 I applicants per year and around 5 K for EB 2 C. the number will defnitely be less during later part of 2008 to mid 2010 due to Economic downturn.
The current queue for EB I + EB C till Aug 2007 ~ 36 K
People here are talking about 38 K SOFAD whcih means by August this year it will catch up August 2007, by late next year it should reach Aug 2009 and by late 2013 it will be current.
Again, all these based on assumption that the current momentum continues and the assumed 38 K SOFAD are available every year.
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lazycis
09-15 07:54 AM
Why they need name check when they have finger print? Name can be change any time where as finger print cant be.
Not only that. but the law and regulations does not require name check for I-485! Only for naturalization. What the USCIS and FBI doing is illegal. Sue them, that's the only way they will understand that they are wrong.
The decision to check reference files for FBI name check was made in December 2002 because N-400 was approved for a Hamaz member. The person's name did not have a hit in main files, but did have a hit in reference files. That's why the USCIS requested FBI to check reference files for naturalization applicants. FBI however decided to check refernce files for ALL requests. By law, background criminal investigation is required only for naturalization and asylum!
Not only that. but the law and regulations does not require name check for I-485! Only for naturalization. What the USCIS and FBI doing is illegal. Sue them, that's the only way they will understand that they are wrong.
The decision to check reference files for FBI name check was made in December 2002 because N-400 was approved for a Hamaz member. The person's name did not have a hit in main files, but did have a hit in reference files. That's why the USCIS requested FBI to check reference files for naturalization applicants. FBI however decided to check refernce files for ALL requests. By law, background criminal investigation is required only for naturalization and asylum!
lvinaykumar
09-10 03:02 PM
Called few on the list and will be calling few more after a hour
mpadapa
08-07 11:54 AM
U are saying - The person's GC category should be same all through out the GC process, irrespective of the technical advancements the person make during the course of the GC process. A person is porting only because he is qualified for the category, U folks are talking as if there is an open slot and everyone is clamoring for it.
U'r logic should be similar to the below scenario..
A person joins a company as a Jr. Engineer, then based on U'r logic he/she cannot become a Manager (which requires an MBA / equivalent) because he entered the workforce as a Jr. Engg. Even though the fellow would've acquired necessary skills and even MBA (going part-time to school), still he/she cannot become a Manager. U are vouching that an MBA who joined few months earlier can become the Manager but not the home groomed fellow. Wow, U'r logic seems to a ground breaking thought process, please extrapolate U'r lawsuit for the case mentioned above. If you win, this might be the most ground breaking decision in US.
Personally I've reported to folks who joined company as high-school grads and worked their way up to Managerial position ofcoz acquiring the necessary college education while working. They have shown up those experience to move ahead of other folks who joined later with higher degrees.
sunnysurya and rollingflood,
Rather than focusing on divisive efforts why can't you focus on real problem - retrogression. Why don't you work towards IV's goals? You folks joined the forum few months back and have already made great impact. Hope you would channel U'r energy into something positive for the entire community.
U'r logic should be similar to the below scenario..
A person joins a company as a Jr. Engineer, then based on U'r logic he/she cannot become a Manager (which requires an MBA / equivalent) because he entered the workforce as a Jr. Engg. Even though the fellow would've acquired necessary skills and even MBA (going part-time to school), still he/she cannot become a Manager. U are vouching that an MBA who joined few months earlier can become the Manager but not the home groomed fellow. Wow, U'r logic seems to a ground breaking thought process, please extrapolate U'r lawsuit for the case mentioned above. If you win, this might be the most ground breaking decision in US.
Personally I've reported to folks who joined company as high-school grads and worked their way up to Managerial position ofcoz acquiring the necessary college education while working. They have shown up those experience to move ahead of other folks who joined later with higher degrees.
sunnysurya and rollingflood,
Rather than focusing on divisive efforts why can't you focus on real problem - retrogression. Why don't you work towards IV's goals? You folks joined the forum few months back and have already made great impact. Hope you would channel U'r energy into something positive for the entire community.
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